Okay so, the marauders map can see people even when they’re hidden underneath the cloak of invisibility, right?
Yet Death can’t find people hidden under that cloak…
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
JUST HOW DID A GANG OF TEENAGERS MANAGE TO CREATE THAT MAP??????
Remus Lupin is a genius, Sirius Black doesn’t like rules, James Potter thinks he can do anything, and Peter brings them snacks and encourages their combined insane genius, that’s how.
Okay, I actually think there’s a really good answer to this.
We know from HP2 that the Chamber of Secrets doesn’t appear on the map, even though lots of other secret passages do, and we know from HP7 (most notably, anyway) that the Room of Requirement doesn’t appear on the map. Yet people under the invisibility cloak show up under their real names, as do polyjuiced people or animaguses in their animal forms.
The difference between the latter (expected) edge cases and the former (actual) edge cases is that while the latter consist of relationships between what the map knows and people, the former consist of relationships between what the map knows and… Hogwarts.
The marauders aren’t smarter or more powerful than Death; they don’t have any special perceptive gifts that Death doesn’t have. What they did have was a magical castle founded by four of the greatest wizards who ever lived. I think the reason that the map knows so much, but hides a select few things, is that the map isn’t powered by those wizards—it’s powered by Hogwarts itself.
Think about this: the fish Lily made for Slughorn disintegrated when she died, but the map still works just fine even after all four Marauders are gone. Whatever made the map go, it wasn’t a charm any of them put on it. It was the borrowed wisdom of the place they lived in.
That’s one of the things that makes the map such a beautiful microcosm for the series, really: it’s proof that you don’t need to be stronger than Death to do amazing things, as Voldemort thought. On the contrary: it’s okay to ask for help from those who came before you and those who have more wisdom, courage, strength, or resources than you.
Because at Hogwarts, help will always be given to those who ask for it.
I don’t want to take away from this beautiful analysis, but I’m always surprised to learn that people take the story of the three brothers and the origins of the deathly hallows as being literal, rather than a mythologized fairy tale. I can’t really say that either of the other two artifacts displays the level of power that the story attributes to them, so I wouldn’t expect the cloak to actually hide the wearer from death, if death is even an incarnate being in-universe.
Yes. That post has been bugging me and I couldn’t figure out how to say it. (Though, i like the idea that hogwarts powers the map - that seems accurate)
The wand is clearly the most powerful, and the resurrection stone works, in a way - you bring forth a ghost of your loved ones, as their body cannot be made out of nothingness.
I think the story of how these things came to be (death as a manifested being, for example) is fabricated, which would necessitate that the cloak was not actually death’s cloak.
The existence of the objects, and their powers, seems accurate - a true invisibility cloak, a resurrection stone, and a wand. The tales themselves are folk tales, taking what was once solid common knowledge and twisting it to children’s stories and exaggeration.
I sometimes like to imagine that they were not even related in origin, but are just three fairly unique artifacts that an elaborate mythology sprung up around.
Possibly—since we know that Harry Potter is a prophesized figure—at some point in the past, an oracle described the three objects as things that would be united by the master of death, and because the context for this would not be revealed for generations, people trying to make sense of it came up with this whole backstory explaining the relationship among the items and how they came to be, and incorporated death into it.
This puts me in mind of the other reason I don’t think the cloak can literally hide people from death, and that’s that the whole “master of death” thing was entirely symbolic. Why should the other similarly fantastical claims be more literal than that?
I always took it as the cloak hid people from “agents of death” rather than death itself. Like, if you have this cloak and someone is after you, intending to kill or maim you, you just put the cloak on and “death can’t find you.”
Of course, it couldn’t do anything about you dying of natural causes, since eventually you must give up the jig or “willingly go with death.” (Or, you know, be an invisible rotting corpse?)
I think it’s going a little far to say the map is powered by Hogwarts just because it still works after the Marauders’ deaths. We really don’t have much information about whether or not magic lingers after the caster’s death. It probably depends on the type of magic. Lily’s fish may have been tied to her life force. We only see a simple freezing spell completely desist after Dumbly’s death. Oh and whatever Voldy did to curse the DADA teaching position. The fidelius charm transferred. All the enchantments on Hogwarts didn’t become null after the founders’ deaths. Sirius’ bike still worked after his death, and it’s a pretty good bet that he enchanted it. It’d be a nice little hazard if you’re a mile in the air and your broomstick suddenly stops working just because the maker snuffed it. Objects seem to retain their enchantments, particularly pseudo-sentient objects. And the obvious explanation to why the map shows Animagi, invisible/transformed people is because the makers thought of it. They had the cloak and they were Animagi. And they didn’t know about the Room of Requirement or the Chamber of Secrets. They could only map what they knew.
Another counter-example: Albus Dumbledore’s deluminator (or put-outer as it’s sometimes called) continued to work for Ron Weasley following his death.